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QUESTION LIST; Page Number 35

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  1. Her Christian church sings song in foreign language that praises Allah―what to do?

  2. Demeanor in teaching (regarding rapture critique)

  3. Just what exactly was the "forbidden fruit" of the Garden of Eden?

  4. Excerpt of Lance Knight's dangerous "new" (false) doctrine (learn to identify the heresies, so you won't get drawn in)

  5. Why did God change (shorten) the Tribulation from Daniel's OT prophecies to John's NT prophecies?

  6. When did it first rain upon the Earth?  And where 'on the ground' was the Garden of Eden?

  7. Tribulation times, where is satan today, when is he cast down to Earth?

  8. The Overnight fall of Pastor Lance Knight and his Flock (with audio excerpts of Lance's heretical 'teachings')

  9. Can we pray asking for a good Christian spouse?
     

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Her Christian church sings song in foreign language that praises Allahwhat to do?

 

A reader writes:

Nick,

I was just wondering if you could help me with something that has really been bothering me? By the way I have REALLY been blessed by your web site.

My [relative] grew up never going to church, well her and her husband just started going to a church about a year ago and they love their church so much and really enjoy it.

Me and my [spouse] are looking for a church and have visited many and have not yet found one, I have just been studying the word of God through your web site and on my own. I really long to find a church where we can worship God and really learn and help others learn his Awesome words in the Bible.

So anyways I started going to my [relative]’s church about a month ago and had attended two weeks in a row and it did seem okay, then one Sunday the girl that leads the church’s worship service on Sunday invited a group called (The Telestials- Southern Gospel Family) to lead the whole worship service and it was so strange to me. They were dressed up in clothes like someone would wear in other countries and they said they would be praising like other people did in other countries, one of the girls quoted saying before one on the songs “This is how they worship in Spain (I think it was), although we do not worship like they do, this is how they worship” and they sang all the song in a different language and they were dancing around and I seemed so stupid to me, know one could understand them and everyone had a strange look on their face like what is going on here and the teenagers in the congregation were trying so hard not to bust out laughing at them, the girl that leads the worship every Sunday also took part and sang up there with them the whole time.

Then they said were are going to sing a song and wanted us to sing along with them and they proceeded to tell us the words to sing along (I can not remember the words they were in a different language) and they did not even tell us what the words meant, so then they proceeded to sing the song and tried to get the congregation to sing the foreign words along with them but only a few people did sing along everyone else just sat there with a weird look on there face like what is going on here. (Never once did they give an interpretation of what they were singing or what the words meant that they wanted us to sing). I got up to go to the bathroom because I felt really weird about all of it and my [spouse] said while I was in the bathroom they sang a song that included Allah in it and [my spouse] said [he/she] was glad I was not there because I would have been so mad.

After the service my [relative] said I was so stupid but took it very lightly and just laughed about it, but it still weighed very heavy on my heart for I did not want to be partaking in something that was wrong. So the next week I asked her what was that all about and what did other people in the church think about it? She  said she really did not know what it was about just that the girl that leads worship in their church really liked those people and wanted to bring them to worship, my [relative] even said she thought the girl was weird, she also said know one in the church really liked it. I explained to her that I felt as if they were showing us how other people worship their other gods, but she did not think that that was the case she thought maybe they were just showing how people in other countries worship God, but she really did not know for sure know one really seemed to know because they did not explain it all that much. I was just wondering if you could help me on this matter. I really want to go to church with my [relative] but not if it means going to a church that partakes in allowing worship of false gods in their church.

The church is a small community church non denominational and it seems to be alright, I don’t know what to think really about this church.

Thanks again for your concern with helping Christians find the truth in God’s word and to understand His ways out of all the lies there are now days!!

Xxxxxx


Answer:

Hi Xxxxx.  Thank you for the kind words. 

    A Listing at http://www.southerngospelministries.org/lsga.htm, of Southern Gospel Artists, shows that the Telestials are a Gospel band. 


Regarding singing and praising God in a language that you do not know 

    I wouldn't do it.  Satan is slick, and he can you praising false gods in this manner (just as with the so-called "Talking in Tongues" satan can you blaspheming God without realizing it). 

    Why on Earth would someone worship with words that they don't even know!  Such is the condition of the endtime Christian churches. 

    Perhaps these people are innocent in ignorance, and perhaps they mean well.  But I don't like it.  It seems bizarre that this groups pops-in out of nowhere, against the desires of the parishioners, and has people praising "Allah" (!) 


In defense of this group (whom I do not know of) 

    To be fair-handed, I must add that in some languages, the word "allah" is the name that means "God."  But we know that the deity of the Muslims, Allah, is not God.   


How to prove that Allah is not the Lord God of the Bible
 

    Many compromisers will tell you that "Allah" is just another name for God, and that the Muslims worship the same God as Christians do.  This is not at all the case!  Here's the "litmus test": the only True God, the Lord God of the Bible, had a Son named Jesus Christ, who died and resurrected to save His (God's) children from their sins and from the death eternal.   

    On the other hand, the false god known as "Allah" by the Muslims, had no son Jesus Christ, and is not therefore the Lord God Almighty of the Bible. 

    Use your best judgment on this issue.  Perhaps think twice before accusing them; for, they may be acting in ignorance, and really feel that they are doing something good.  But at the same time, I would bring word to the pastor or preacher in charge, that you think it dangerous to have Christians singing songs that praise God in the name of "Allah."  It sends the wrong signal, I feel.  Especially these days with all the plurality and ecumenism going on in the Christian churches. 

    And personally, I would never dare praise the name of "Allah."   Now, I'm not telling you what to do, but I think that if you are looking for a good Bible-centered Christian church, you may have to keep looking past this one. 

    Have you tried the TV ministry of Shepherds Chapel?  It's on TV (late night) all over North America and beyond, on cable and satellite and free TV.  It has verse by verse teaching of the Bible, and a questions and answers segment.  Here is their Website:  The Shepherd's Chapel  

Peace to you.  And pray on what to do. 

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God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ's name!
Nick Goggin

 

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Demeanor in teaching (regarding rapture critique)

 

A reader writes:

I just happened upon your site after doing a search for the rapture being false. I wanted to say to you that I appreciate your information. I had never thought of there not being a rapture until I heard someone say it on tv. I'm a little confused on your attitude, though when answering one of your reader's questions (are rapturists real Christians?). You both are offended at the rapturist's attitudes towards people who don't believe in the rapture, yet in your answer to the reader you were very rude towards the rapturists yourself. You pretty much said the same things a rapturist would say about you, that they aren't real Christians. Like I said earlier, I've never heard of there not being a rapture in my 25 years of life. And when I heard that there might not be one, I embarked on some research. Not all "rapturists" are the same mean people you've made them out to be. I am not putting you down at all, as you've said all rapturists do, I am merely trying to show you that we all make mistakes, rapturist or not. The words some rapturists have said to you have clearly been meant to cut you off and ostracize you from their group. I felt the same attitude coming from you when I read your reply. But, I understand you've probably dealt with a lot of people who aren't open minded. They don't listen and they put you down. Hopefully, you understand they're just scared. No, you don't have to pity them, but yes you should be moved with compassion just as Jesus was. And any chance you have to help one see the light as you have seen, I hope you don't let your feelings get in the way. God bless you. Thanks again for the web site. I've spent hours on it this evening.


Answer:

Hello.  Your points are taken well.  And I appreciate the manner in which you delivered them.

    I think that where some people misunderstand me is that they do not realize that when I write, I am not writing to one, but to many; and many times directly to the Rapture teachers themselvestrying to get them to realize that there are repercussions for misleading God's Christian children.  And that one-on-one I would not be so honestly critical of a Rapturist.  I would be more individual with them and reason from the Scriptures with them, because they were listening, dialoging with me.  On the other hand, a lot of Rapturists will just click off the Website when they see their pet doctrine challenged.  So I leave a lasting impression on themthat being that there are competent Biblical challenges to the Rapture doctrine that need to be considered. maybe I just open them up for a nice-talking teacher.  I don't know.  God heals whom He will, apart from any agency of man.  And when God tells me to sweet talk deceivers, then I will.  I speak of the Rapture TEACHERS, not the everyday run of the mill Rapturist.  There is a great difference between the two.  The later is the "being deceived," and the first is the "deceiving"

2 Timothy 3:13
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.  KJV

    But anyway, this is what Christ did with the Jews of His day.  Take the Pharisee (forerunner of today's Judaism) Nicodemus.  Jesus spoke softly to him in person, one-on-one.  However, when Jesus spoke in general and to a group of these Jews and their corrupt religion Pharisaism (Judaism), He was not quite so soft.  How many Judeo-Christians would disfellowship (ex-communicate) even Jesus Christ from their congregations had He returned for a visit with them, for daring to speak of the Jews in the below manner!   "Anti-Semite, Nazi, Hatemonger, bigot, Skin head;" oh, what cruel and untrue names they would use upon Him--just like they do to us today who know the truth.  What the heck happened to the Christian churches between the time that Jesus walked with them, and today.  I could answer that for you....but you might not like the answer.  But anyway, observe how the Master handled the situation:

John 3:1-3
3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.  KJV

Matthew 23:13-15
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees , hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves [called them hell bound, damned], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees , hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses [called them thieves], and for a pretence make long prayer [called them fakers, phonies, liars]: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation [called them damned].

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees , hypocrites! [self explanatory] for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves [called them converters of men to hell, to their own abode in hell].  KJV 

     That's what our Lord Jesus Christ had to say about them.  Yet today: confused, beguiled, and misled, Judeo-Christians (pseudo-Christians) call them "God's chosen people" !  

    Excuse me?!?  "God's chosen people"?  "Chosen" for what?  Their forefathers, their religion, and their religious leaders, killed Him for gosh sakes!  Yet the churches, named after Him (Christ-Christian), conspire against the Biblical Christian church to "make nice" with the Jews (and the Muslims, and the Hindus, etc. ad nauseam...).  Can the end be far off anymore!  Now you can understand when Jesus mused sadly: "...Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8b).  You likewise wouldn't like the answer to that rhetorical (not seeking nor requiring an answer) question.

    So, anyway, regarding my style of teaching; and with Jesus being our example....   Well, you do get the point, don't you?  Rapturists think that they have brought down Heaven to them, not realizing the grave danger that they are in.  Actually, I feel that I, speaking frankly and without beating around the bush; do the average Rapturist more good that their sweet-talking Rapture pals who tell them that everything is going to be Ok, while they are stampeding over the cliff. 

    Personally, I would rather that someone sternly yelled at me, "STOP, LOOK, DON'T GO ANOTHER STEP!," before I walked out in front of the speeding truck--than to get run over while some bumbler is trying articulate an appropriate and "Christian-based" direction to me: "um, excuse me there; yoo-hoo; um, you are so loved, and; well, I am not judging you or anything; but, it is my humble opinion that you may very well; (oh, I so hate confrontations!), in some cases, that is; and let me preface this by saying, please understand that I mean you no offence; and it may be that you and I just see things a little bit differently on this matter, my good brother; but you may well be on the path to getting run over by that huge speeding truck that you are backing into the path of."

    SMACK!  I'm flattened like pancake under the truck; while old wishy-washy Mr. lukewarm tries to say something without hurting my feelings.  You get the point of my admitted hyperbole, I trust?

    And besides, it is very difficult to get someone's attention who has been studying the Bible for 20 years and get them to reexamine their doctrine (Rapture, for instance).  However, sometimes when you come out blunt (but honest), these stubborn (stiff-necked) people, who think that they have all the answers, but do not; may well just get mad enough to try to prove you wrong.  And in attempting this, they will discover that their Rapture doctrine is full of holes, and that it is not supportable in any competent Scriptural debate/examination.

    So; knowing that; perhaps you can understand why I don't play nice-nice with people who are damaging their own loved ones by spreading false doctrines.  Can you imagine how many Rapturists during the Tribulation are going to look sideways at their parents and pastors who taught them the Rapture doctrine?  Do you know how many Japanese and German Christians, of the Rapture persuasion, did the same during WWII?  And Russian Christians in 1917 Russia, when the Jewish "Extraordinary Commission" (the cheka) in Russia (USSR) wholesale slaughtered 60 million of them?  And how about TODAY, where, in Africa and China, and in other places far and wide where Christians are being tortured, 'disappeared', and murdered every single day.  Where was their Rapture!

    And, while I find you to be one of the nicer Rapturists that I have met; the fact remains that for every Christian that you teach Rapture to, you are endangering one more person to loose their faith during the Tribulation, when, what they will perceive to be God's broken promise (Rapture), never happens. 

    And in closing, I must however correct you on one thing.  You embellished (added to what I said) my statement.  Regarding what I said, you stated to/of me:

"I am not putting you down at all, as you've said all rapturists do"

    Sorry, I did not say "ALL" Rapturists, as you have claimed.  A careful reading ofttimes will avoid the feeling of insult.  In fact, a simple check of that Q&A that you refer to (Are Rapturists real Christians?) shows that I used phrases that would not include the whole lot of them; like, for instance, I stated:

"...what about the average Rapture believer....," and,

"...average Rapture believer potentially could infect ten other Christians....," and,

"...what of these Rapturists then?  Well, some seem to be Christians and yet are not, and some begin with us in the faith and then go after another." 

    Not ALL Rapturists are this or that (oh, how people get tangled-up in absolutes and "every's" where absolutes and "every" does not apply!).  I never included all Rapturists in this.  There is a difference, you know.  For instance, you are a Rapturist, and you don't seem mean spirited.  But then, you are coming out of the Rapture madness.  So perhaps God had better plans for you.  In other words, maybe you aren't mean-spirited because deep down inside you really aren't a Rapturist, therefore that spirit hasn't affected you?

    You do realize that a change has taken place within you, don't you?  You will never again believe the Rapture hoax.  And why?  Because you compared it to Scripture and found it wanting.  Good for you.  But now that you know what won't happen, why not study further and find out what God wrote will happen during the tribulation.  Then you will be a better and more useful servant to God in these swift approaching last days.

    Now, come on please; give me my due: you have sat with Rapturists, studied under them, congregated with them--can you honestly say that you haven't noticed an elitist, "we've earned Rapture, you're going to suffer in the Tribulation with the Catholics, etc., like you deserve," type attitude out of a good many of them (i.e., NOT all)?  Or, at a time when they don't have their smiley fake Rapture face on, haven't you seen some lash out in almost hateful anger over their pet doctrine when challenged by Scripture?  There is a spirit in that.

I'll be looking for your reply.

Peace.  And is there any one so-called Rapture Scripture, that after hearing the truth on, documented, that would turn you forever from the Rapture fable?  Feel free to supply your best "Rapture verse."  I'll be nice with you, because you are nice.  That's how I do it.

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God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ's name!
Nick Goggin

 

The reader replies:

Hmmm.  First of all, I'd like to say, thank you for your correction.  A lot of us don't take correction very well and I suppose that's why I exaggerated to saying that you said ALL rapturists when indeed you did not.  Remember the good old days in school when our teachers taught us that a little constructive criticism is good for you?  Heehee.  Anyway, I appreciate your other point about Jesus' character when speaking with Nicodemus...  and then with the group of Pharisees.  Wow.  Thank you, I didn't see that.  Sometimes we all get a little one-sided and caught up in all the verses that prove OUR point, that we don't see the other verses that totally dispel the myths.  Kind of like the once saved always saved that I was duped into believing all those years.  Those came up totally false, too.  Sometimes I wonder if what I believe now is the truth or will I be led into something different in a few years.  I guess the point is not to be led, not by other people anyways.  But to be led by the spirit and by own bible studies.  I do appreciate your suggestions to your readers to get into the word themselves.  So few preachers and teachers do that.

  Yes, I do see an elitist attitude with those who believe in the rapture.  But you know, I pretty much see that in any of those biblical arguments that one can get into.  Everyone gets this, 'I'm right' attitude.  It gets on my nerves honestly.  I've always been the type  to stick up for the low dog in school, work, etc.  Now to be truthful, I too, have gotten this attitude, as you saw in my letter.  You were very forgiving of my, 'I'm right attitude', but it was still there, and it was still wrong no matter how small it may have been. 

 
  As to a verse that sticks out to me... I'd have to say it was the one about there being a trump and a shout, then we'll all be taken up.  You're absolutely right.  I'd always learned that it would be quiet and mysterious when the believers left earth.  Even when reading the scriptures for myself I was blind to the ones you brought up, or just chose to ignore them.  I can remember asking my husband some questions about some of the stuff but we never got around to any answers.

  Well, thanks again.  And while I'm chatting with you already, could you answer me another question.  Sorry if I seem a little ignorant, but I'm just not getting this.  While reading the study on the rapture hoax you mentioned something about a study on the real sin in the garden of Eden.  I did look into that study and I looked at some of the q & a's about it as well.  I just can't understand what Adam's sin was.  Yes, Eve was instructed to not eat or touch the fruit of the tree.  And Adam was instructed to not eat of it.  Eve sinned and did both, having sexual relations with satan.  Adam sinned and did what he wasn't supposed to which was eat of the tree.  What exactly is eating of the tree?  I read the q&a about what exactly did Adam do, but I still didn't get it.  Sorry.   Thank you for your time.


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Just what exactly was the "forbidden fruit" of the Garden of Eden?

 

A reader writes:

 

...could you answer me another question.  Sorry if I seem a little ignorant, but I'm just not getting this.  While reading the study on the rapture hoax you mentioned something about a study on the real sin in the garden of Eden.  I did look into that study and I looked at some of the q & a's about it as well.  I just can't understand what Adam's sin was.  Yes, Eve was instructed to not eat or touch the fruit of the tree.  And Adam was instructed to not eat of it.  Eve sinned and did both, having sexual relations with satan.  Adam sinned and did what he wasn't supposed to which was eat of the tree.  What exactly is eating of the tree?  I read the q&a about what exactly did Adam do, but I still didn't get it.  Sorry.   Thank you for your time.


Answer:

Hello again.  You really are a sincere Christian.  It is a pleasure dialoguing with you.  It sure would be a shame to lose you in a Rapture before all of the Lord's work is done here on the Earth.  :o)

You ask:

"What exactly is eating of the tree?"

    Let's look at what "eating" (partaking) of this "tree" was purported to do for one.  That way we can gain insight into Eve and Adam's motivations for violating God's command--and thus arrive at the exact nature of their sin.  For, assuredly their sin was in transgressing the command (law) of God, as Saint John reveals:

1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.  KJV

That is the singular great answer to the question of, "what is a sin?"  Paul tells us "what isn't a sin":

Romans 4:15
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.  KJV

    That is why Cain wasn't executed by God for murdering Ablethere was not yet the command of God, "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man." (Gen 9:6), given to Noah; later codified in the Ten Commandments to Moses for the people, as, "Thou shalt not kill." (Ex 20:13).  And confirmed and clarified by Jesus Christ Himself, in, "Thou shalt do no murder" (Mat 19:18b).    

    So when misguided Christians hold up signs protesting Capital Punishment, which read, "Thou shalt not kill," aimed at the State Executioner--not the convicted killer--they are not being correct.  How's that for calling them "wrong" in a nice way?  The point is, is that there is a vast difference in God's eyes between committing a murder and taking a human life.  (See our: When a Christian takes a life

And the second great answer to the question of "What is sin?" Is this from John again:

1 John 5:17
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.  KJV

Confirmed by Paul:

Romans 6:13
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.  KJV

    Call it God's "catch-all," for lack of a more dignified term.  In other words, just because you can't find a specific sin in the Bible, doesn't mean that it isn't a sin.  The standard is, is it unrighteous?  That about covers them all, does it not?  So all the computer hackers are now convicted of sin, though computers aren't mentioned specifically by name in the Bible.  Perhaps the image of the beast is a super-computer?  Not the first beast NWO itself, nor the second beast antichrist himself; but I speak of the "image TO the beast" (not "OF" the beast, as commonly misquoted here), which comes to "life" (animation, virtual reality, artificial intelligence, super capacity high-speed computers drawing from a world that has been rendered into a single database?)  Who knows?  We will know it when we see it, that's for sure.  Especially us Christians!  For, it shall be causing ungodly men to kill us.

Revelation 13:14-15
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.  KJV

    Note on the conflicting words "to," and "of" in the above Scripture.  Neither word is there in the Greek, they are both English words used where the Greek Definite Article occurs in the MSS. (MSS. = manuscripts.  MS. = manuscript).  The Greek reads "image [article] beast" in all three occurrences (two, of the beast; and one, to the beast").  No big deal, but the point is to not let the word "of" lock you into an interpretation of the Scripture, as it was (necessarily) added for readability.  For, there is not English equivalent to the Greek Definite Article.)  Note 2:  The word "Definite Article" can cause confusion, for there is no such thing in the Greek as an "Indefinite article."  But in the English the Definite Article would be "the," and the  Indefinite Article would be "a" and "an".   

    In other words, the part of a sentence called the Article, whether in English or Greek (or Hebrew) let's you know the difference between, say, a car, and the car.; a god, or the God.  That is the power of the Article, it adds emphasis and sets off an object as being general or specific, common or great.  Often times it let's us know which of a series is being referred to.

Example:  "A man brought his dog to the dog store, and saw a fuzzy brown dog, and the dog got scared." 

    Which dog got scared???  In the English we would not know which dog got scared, the owner's dog or the fuzzy brown one; so in English we use words like "his" (or insert the owner's name; i.e., John's dog got scared), to specify which dog got scared.  But this is not so in the Greek or Hebrewthey incorporate the Article to do what the extra English words didthat is, to let you know which dog got scared. 

    In the Greek it would read something like this, "man traveled dog store saw dog fuzzy brown dog scared."  But insert the article, and you have: "man traveled (art.) dog to dog store saw dog fuzzy brown (art.) dog scared."

    And to you Greek scholars out there; yes, I know about the Greek word autos, but I am making a point here.  Bear with me.  (Note: "autos" is a Greek word [#846] that means self-same; e.g., "his," "her," "its," etc.).  But the point that I making is relevant to the below use of the Greek Article (Grk. #3588)

    You notice in the above verse 14 of Revelation chapter thirteen, that the highlighted Article (#3588), which precedes the word "beast", was at this place translated into English as, "to the."  You also may note, that for the second occurrence of the Article (#3588) in this line, it was translated into the English, "the"; and in the third occurrence, the Article was not translated at allthere was no English word translated into our Bible at this place. 

    At right is an Interlinear legend that will help you to understand the Interlinear excerpts we are currently observing.  And now on to verse 15; below we see that the Article preceding "beast" is in the below line translated "of the", whereas in the above line it is translated "to the."

 Source: PC Study Bible Version 4 Reference Library Plus, Interlinear Bible with Textus Receptus (KJV) Strong's numbers.

    So, just because an English word is "added" to the Greek translation, it does not mean that the Translators did a bad thing, oftentimes they needed to use more English words to translate a Greek or Hebrew sentence to make it readable; i.e., to make it say in the English what it says in the Greek or Hebrew.  For instance, take the Greek word edothee in the Interlinear Legend above (smaller middle diagram above), you notice that it took four English words "had power to give" to translate this one Greek word!  That is because of the different structures of the different languages.  So don't let the "added word" thing scare you.  And there are good added words and there are bad added words.  thee aren't bad added words in the King James Bible Version (KJV), but all the newer versions (NIV, NASV, etc. et al.) are full of them; see our: Adulterations in the Newer Bible Versions (NIV, NASB...); Proof that the King James Bible (KJV) is the True Word of God.

    Anyway.  Sorry, I am just rambling on and on here.  Back to your question about what "eating fruit" did. 

    Satan (the serpent) promised Eve that "eating" of the fruit of the tree in the midst of the garden, which God had commanded that she not eat of, would do several things for her.  Eve discovered the following about partaking of this forbidden thing.  Adam found out as well, but it was Eve who gave to Adam, the serpent gave to Eve:

  1. "your eyes shall be opened" 

  2. "ye shall be as gods" 

  3. "knowing good and evil" 

  4. "that it was pleasant to the eyes" 

  5. "to be desired to make one wise" 

  6. "the eyes of them both were opened" 

  7. "they knew that they were naked" 

  8. "hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God "

The Scripture in whole:

Genesis 3:1-11
3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?  KJV
 

    But that doesn't answer your question, does it?  What was this forbidden fruit?  You should know it, you see it all around you.  You have read of it in the early church.  It is the basis of all the varied 'New Age" religions and disciplines, recomposed from the ancient mysteries which were a copy of the secrets which destroyed Eve then Adam.   

    From satan to Eve to Adam through Cain to Sumeria (not Samaria), Assyria, Egypt, Babylon, Persia, back to Egypt, back to Babylon, to the Jews (not Israel) to the Turko-Mongoloid Khazar (the Ashkenazi Jews [95% of today's Jews true bloodline]), to Europe, to South America, to North America, and all points in between, at all times in historythe serpent and his doctrine slithered.  Even creeping into the church of Christ so-called.  

    You know it as that which, by and by, resurfaced as the Gnosticism of the early church, which almost capsized her, until they "persecuted" the early heretics (Gnostics) and finally suppressed the heresydriving what remained of them underground.  Their doctrine then being uncovered some nineteen centuries later in the Dead Sea Scrolls sparingly (found in 1947, in the Dead Sea caves), and in the Nag Hammadi texts specifically (found in 1945, in a river bank in Upper Egypt), being picked up from there by today's "seekers of hidden wisdom." 

    this forbidden fruit is evident in the Eastern Religions today.  It was the basis for Pharaoh worship in ancient Egypt, the ancestor worship of the Native Americans and native African tribes to this very day.  It is the secret revealed in the Jewish Kabbalah specifically and the Jewish Talmud generally, which they both got from satan in Babylon (circa 500 B.C. to A.D. 500).  And it is not all that far away from the foundations of the Pope worship which we observe in the Catholic Church.  By it were made possible the Greek Gods, the Roman deities, the Hindu Pantheism.  The Buddha, the Dalai Lama, Rev. Sun yung Moon, and all others endowed by man with more than mere humanity.  And it is the one great thing that brought down Lucifer (satan):

Isaiah 14:12-15
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.  KJV

    The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which has woven and stung it's way through the course of mankind, even traversing Earth Ages; was mainly this: That man can become God.  So was the sin of Eve and Adam; they believed the lie, swallowed the doctrine, descended to on-low, when they hearkened unto satan and his age-old heresy and lie: "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods...."  (Gen 3:5a). 

    But they aren't gods, none of the above litany of would-be's are; they are dying men not yet died; or, they are already dead and buried.  Eve didn't become a deity, a god; she became mortal, she acquired a finite life span, taking her husband down with her.  And satan (Lucifer) isn't God, he is condemned to the Lake of Fire, the final destination of the unredeemable, the eternal destruction, where all who follow him shall resort.  And his holding place is the Bottomless Pit, his abode.  He who had sought to be the King over kings and the Lord of lords, in the end attained only to the prince of the bottomless pit!  All who seek godhood for themselves, all those who presume to be higher spiritual creatures than what God made man on the Earth, shall likewise share in satan's demise.  'How though art fallen, o lucifer', said our Lord God!  Indeed!  And how many will follow his pernicious ways?  They are lining up now to do it as we speak!

    We have a study that illustrates one current form of this forbidden fruit doctrine: Anatomy of a False Doctrine.  And once Lance Knight's "new" doctrine is fully revealed and codified into a teaching (indoctrination) format, look for it to follow along these same lines: "man as gods."  Illuminated Ones (Illuminati), Ascended Masters (Tibetan, Eastern), Christs (New Age, Theosophy), Sons of God (apostate Charismatics), Manchilds (apostate Christian), etc. etc. etc.  Many names, same doctrinestrait from the Garden of Eden, from one serpent to one woman, then to the worldcoming to a church near you, soon. 

    Sad!  Blasphemy of the highest order even!  Look for it, identify it, avoid it!  For you shall see it, soon.  Like Eve and then Adam, who would have lived foreverso to today are good men set for the death that does not quench, because they sought not to worship God, but become as Him. 

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Excerpt of Lance Knight's dangerous "new" (false) doctrine (learn to identify the heresies, so you won't get drawn in)

 

A reader writes:

Hi Nick, This is the latest from the "thine is the kingdom" site ["Pastor" Lance Knight's new talk-group].  This is a slippery slope that these people are on and it's spurred on by a slippery woman who is either led by Lance or is leading Lance (I tend to think the latter).  Thought you'd like to see.  God bless,  Xxxxxxxxxxxxx

[The reader then includes a segment of these people's bizarre teachings; which we supply, and comment on, below in our answer.]


Answer:

     Let me preface this by saying that, it is not to mock or ridicule them, that we comment here and elsewhere on the fall of Lance Knight and those who follow him;  but rather, we do this to warn others who may be feeling drawn into this heresy.

     We supply below an excerpt of some of the "new" Lance Knight doctrine from one of his followers (Cathy) who runs his message group on Yahoo (which Lance supplies a link to from his Website).  Caution!  It is false doctrine; please don't let anyone become affected and/or deceived by it!  I think it valuable to supply a sample of the doctrine (teaching) here, in a sterile environment, so that the reader may observe the magnitude and implications of the subtle words of these doctrines―without being exposed to the seductive influence of the evil spirits that led men and women to spawned it. 

     The below type of doctrines, when issued in a room full of people (presumably "deeper" Bible students and "scholars") affirming it with "Amens," and with evil spirits filling the air with a sort of "spiritual presence" (but a false evil spirit, not the Holy Spirit of God)―can be quite a draw to a newer student of the Bible who does not yet have a strong enough foundation that would scream to them that this is evil and blasphemous.  After the below excerpt, we offer a Biblical response:
 

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I cannot hold my peace.  There is a thing happening in the bloodly [Sic] city which if I shall hold my peace I had rather stood by holding the coats of them in agreement while they stone my brother [Lance Knight?] but worse than this Blasphemy of the Spirit of Father.

Christ has said...But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

You who DENY these words...DENY the Word of God and the Power of God and testify of yourselfs that YOU ARE the naughty figs in the basket.

...You who ARE the naughty figs say...Make way behold the reign of Antichrist is at hand the kingdom of satan is at hand!  You testify of yourselves that YOU ARE of that wicked one for you HERALD the coming of Satan!  You testify that you are NOT sent of Jesus.  You deny His Commands unto those He sends...saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand!!!

...You are witnesses this day that those whose eyes are dark DENY HIS POWER and refuse His commands and are not sent of Jesus. For those say [i.e., those opposed to Lance's new doctrines] ... Behold the Messiah is not come and the kingdom is not come there is one that we wait for to KNOW the times and the season and he is Satan!!!  By him shall we Know what is the season and the time...his reign is the surety for our salvation. Satan shall herald the coming of the Lord for us!  Until satan return I shall NEVER see the Christ!!! Come satan come, delay not, make haste, that I may have my reward, for my flesh has grown old and I desire greatly a brand new model! Oh how I can't wait to have my reward! Come satan come that I may have proof of my salvation, that I may have proof of my faith, that I may be put before him that I say I loathe but desire GREATLY TO COME! Bring him upon me that my eyes may see him!!!

You pant after the dust of the earth! You testify of yourselves that you DESIRE evil. You proclaim upon the housetops that you will NEVER see the return of Chirst [Sic] UNLESS Satan reign in your sight for you to behold whom you desire greatly to come for it's SATANS coming you look forward to as your PROOF of the coming return of Christ.

But I tell you Christ has come already and you DENY it!  But I tell you He is casting out devils and healing the sick and giving sight to the blind and hearing to the deaf and you DENY it!  I proclaim that in all these works that the Lord God is doing this day is done because the Kingdom of Heaven has come down unto you and you DENY it! And you say I have a devil because I proclaim it!!! You say I have a devil because I sing praises to the Lord God who Reigns!!!

You deny the very Christ and those sent of Him who keep His commands and say But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.  Well does the Messiah say of you...  

O generation of vipers, . . . . Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? . . . . Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.  For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord....  

― Cathy (cattcar9), in, "If any shall hurt them!!!"  Yahoo Message Group: "Thine Is The Power And Glory Forever".  Jul 19, 2005.

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(Answer Cont.):

Hi Xxxxxxxxxxx.  Wow!  They are way over the edge. 

    What they are doing, is that they are chastising anyone who heeds Christ's warning.  Jesus Christ Himself told us to be watchful, to be wary, to remain vigilant.  But Lance and his host of demoniacs (people possessed by evil spirits) try to make us ashamed for watching out for the antichrist and the signs of the endtimes.  Only an idiot, or a fellow demoniac, would heed anything that the fallen preacher Lance Knight and his dead-soul ghouls say!  Observe, as Jesus Himself directs us to watch!

Matthew 24:15-30
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs , and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.  KJV

     The highlighted phrases in the above from our Lord Jesus Christ indicate that He wanted us to take action, to actively observe, to weigh the signs of the times.  Observe Christ's words calling us to be watchful:

  • "When ye therefore shall see..."

  • "let him understand..."

  • "Then if any man shall say unto you..."

  • "Wherefore if they shall say unto you..."

  • "And then shall appear..."

    So, when Lance and his demon infested followers say that we are "waiting for satan," (because we know from Jesus that satan comes first to deceive) they are accusing our Lord Jesus Christ of the same.  For, it was He that told us that satan was coming first to deceive. 

    These people are evil, demonic, insane with evil-spirit lust.  They shall die out, and the eternity will be a better place without them. 

    And any that they mislead and drag down to hell with them are of like character and deserve it.  Water seeks its own level, and hell's mouth is gaping wide for this crew.

Luke 12:54-56
54 And he
[Jesus] said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is.
55 And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be heat; and it cometh to pass.
56 Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?  KJV
 

    Any idiot who follows these bizarre people most likely wasn't really saved at all to begin with.  They are just mating-up with their destiny.  God has very good reasons for ordaining the Lake of Fire.  It seems like in these endtimes we are living with a lot of these reasons.  Lance is calling out the damned, and the pre-damned follow. 

Jude 4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.  KJV

     Now, some of the deceived would say: "but Lance and his followers use the name "Jesus Christ" all the time in their sermons and teachings, how are they then denying him?" 

     Did not the demoniac following Paul around in the book of Acts even speak flattering words of Christ and His Apostles, yet she was still possessed:

Acts 16:16-18
16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.
18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.  KJV

     So not every spirit that speaks sweet words is a good spirit, some are deceptive.  Did not John warn us to test the spirits to see if they really are of God:

1 John 4:1
4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try
[test, discern] the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.  KJV

     Jesus warned us that many say "Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ" with their mouths, but mean it not in their hearts:  "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me." (Mat 15:8).  Lance Knight's crew are denying the REAL Jesus Christ by saying that He is here now, when He is not.  So the "Christ" that they speak of and work for, is not our Lord Jesus Christ, the Ever-Living Son of God. 

     The truth of the matter is that Jesus Christ is yet in Heaven at this moment, at the right hand of the Father, as Scripture declareswaiting till His enemies be made His footstool.  Lance and his followers are messed-up, but aren't yet a footstool. 

     Therefore, by saying that He is here (presumably us being the Earthly manifestation of Him today, as Lance alludes), means that Lance and the rest of the dead shall, and do, deny the true Jesus Christ when He does return to this Earth to recompense His enemies with fire.

     Jesus himself told us that He must leave and go to the Father, but that He would send the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, to be with us until the great day of His return (at the Second Advent):

Jesus Christ Himself, on His going and on His Second Coming:

John 16:5-16
5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?
6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.  KJV

Matthew 24:29-30
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.  KJV

    This is the end of times, and I suspect that we have only seen the beginning of satan's deceptions.  These Lance Knight people were easyit is scary how truly easy they werethey gave it up much to easy.  And many of them had been diligent Bible students for tens of years!~  Only evil spirit agency could explain their abrupt turnaround.  of course, had Jesus truly saved them, they would not be where they are now.  So, you fill in the blanks.  These aren't deceived Christiansthey were never Christians to begin withthey were just play-acting to infiltrate the flock, fooling themselves along the way.  Get to!  Away with them quickly; lest they draw away others.

     Do I judge their salvation?  No, that is not my place.  I offer the below Scriptures by which they may judge themselves with their own words and actions:

John 6:43-45
43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.  KJV

Hebrews 6:4-8
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.  KJV

Cull the flock, remove the dross.  Remember Christ's words: 

Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord , shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord , have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.  KJV

     For a particularly sobering look, compare the above Scripture with the demoniac's speech, from Lance knight's message group, which we quoted at the start of this article!

Caution!  False doctrine:

...But I tell you Christ has come already and you DENY it!  But I tell you He is casting out devils and healing the sick and giving sight to the blind and hearing to the deaf and you DENY it!  I proclaim that in all these works that the Lord God is doing this day is done because the Kingdom of Heaven has come down unto you and you DENY it! And you say I have a devil because I proclaim it!!! . . . . You deny the very Christ and those sent of Him who keep His commands and say But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you....
― Cathy (cattcar9), in, "If any shall hurt them!!!",
Jul 19, 2005.

    I don't pity Lance and his host of demon-possessed followers.  Many have tried to show them the great error that they stumble into―but they do not care, their eyes are glazed over and rolling back in their head like a shark making the kill, drunk on the smell of spiritual blood.  They are no longer victims; and like the mythical vampire, they began as victims, but went on to become the offender themselves.  Nobody spares the vampire in the movie because he was once good; having once been infected, he becomes a mortal enemy; and is treated a such.  Though the "vampire" is just make-believe Hollywood lore, it is true of the evil side of the spiritual realm.  Evil spirits move from host to host, from person to person.  That is why God said: "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." (Ex 22:18), and, "Regard not them that have familiar spirits [i.e., evil spirits], neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God." (Lev 19:31).

     Had they been humble and had they been willing to consider the Scriptural corrections that many have tried to show them regarding their errant doctrines―they might not be enemies―but they will not listen, nor even consider.  They are on a mission, but it isn't a mission from God.  I am now angry with them, because they seek to kill the sheep; they work to make them dead like they themselves are spiritually dead and dying.  They became enemies of Christ and church the moment they set out to draw Christians into their vile blasphemous doctrines of devils.  They have made shipwrecks of themselves, and seek to set up reefs whereby to wreck others:

1 Timothy 1:17-20
17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;
19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan , that they may learn not to blaspheme.  KJV

    Being made into a "shipwreck" is not a good thing when we are speaking of "a good conscience", "holding faith", and "a good warfare"!  The kid cloves must come off when the sheep of Christ are threatened with perdition.  There is probably no quicker way to perdition than to presume oneself to be equal to God or to be fellow-gods.  Sides must be picked, and let us not hear a word about "playing nice."  You cannot play nice with an angry viper, you can only stomp his head, destroying him; or, be paralyzed and consumed by him.  You cannot cut deals and make bargains with one who is seeking to destroy you to hell.  Its time to quit playing games!

     Can Jesus Christ save them from their spiral fall down towards the abbyss?  Of course He could, Jesus is Lord and God; but then, He could have stopped them before they began, had He chose to.  Will He save them?  Will He wink at their gross error while they draw others down with them?  That is in the providence of God alone.  If you have a loved one who has been seduced by these doctrines of devils; pray for them; for, as our Lord Jesus Christ has said: "And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." (Mk 10:27)

     Peace. 

PS:  To any Bible student who would like a Biblical response to any of the new Lance Knight doctrines, which you feel may be being used to deceive you; write in with specific unaltered quotes; citing source, author, and date of issuance, to: Contact Editor  (your name will not be used if you write in).  With Lance Knight issues, I have elected to not even use the first names of those asking questions and supplying information.

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Why did God change (shorten) the Tribulation from Daniel's OT prophecies to John's NT prophecies?

 

Dr. P. writes in the below.  We answer his concerns by inserting our comments within his text:

Answer:

Hello Dr. P.  May I just copy & paste the pertinent part of the body of your E-mail here, and insert my comments and answers [in blue bracketed text, as this] along the way?  I think that this the easiest and clearest way to respond to an E-mail such as yours which covers many topics and points.  Ok?
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Dr. Pierre writes:] Dear Sir, I have read many of your articles and I found them very inspiring and more, I do agree with most of them!  However, I do disagree with your statement of shortening of the second phase of the tribulations for a 5 months period.

I am referring to your study of Matthew 24! 

Here is why,

(A) God does not have to change his program with humanity  [No He doesn't, He does not have to do anything.  But He is the one (through Christ) who said that He did change it from the prophesies of Daniel to the prophecies of Revelation.  So if Jesus says that God shortened the time, why do you have a problem with me repeating Christ's instruction?  I refer to:

Mark 13:20
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.  KJV
]

...and more he is omnipresent in all history! [Of course He is] Then he knew ahead of time what he was to do and what was to happen [Yep, that is why He could write Psalm 22, of the crucifixion scene; and Isaiah 53, proclaiming that the Messiah would be rejected--all before the Messiah came.], otherwise, he is not omni present and had forgotten something he would make corrections with the passage of time... [No.  you are looking at this wrong. What He did was to give us choices, and allowed the choices to run their course.  Naturally, if He allows us to veer from the original perfect plan (Adam & Eve, for instance), then the future changes.  That explains some variations between Old and New Testament endtime prophecies.  The future is fluid, not static.  But God knows the outcome, we do not.]

...(B)   The 5 months is the period of time given for the 5th trumpet realization, and is well described as such [They happen together, how does that null one?  Also, a lot more happens in the 5th Trump than just the Locust Army ('fallen' angels).]

...(C)   The 144,000 witnesses [Note, they are not referred to as 144,000 "witnesses" in Revelation 7, but there are 2 Witnesses in rev 11.] are not touched by the scorpions, while the rest of men are ( Apo 7:3 [Rev 7:3, "Apo" put for Apocalypse]) The rest of the men includes all men, less those who received the seal of God ( Apo. 9:4 )  [I believe that the 144,000 are martyrs, and they are killed by the first beast (the NWO―i.e., men on this Earth) some time after being sealed in Revelation chapter seven (perhaps their sealing is at their last end); for, we see them in Heaven in (Rev 14:2-5), BEFORE the Second Advent.  I arrive at this conclusion based on several chronological facts:  They are sealed before the Locust Army arrives, thus are untouchable to the supernatural army of antichrist (the 'Locusts'); and they are in Heaven before the Second Advent.  There is only one way to get to Heaven before the Second Advent--that is to die.  And since the Locust Army can't kill them, but they were in fact killed, thereforemen killed them.] 

..(D)   The second part of the tribulations start in Revelation 13, and there again, power to act is given to them for an other 42 months ( 3.5 years ) [I disagree with your interpretation of Rev 13.  I believe Rev 13 to explain BOTH parts of the Tribulation.  The first part is at "...and saw a beast rise up out of the sea...." (Rev 13:1), and the second part is at "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth...." (Rev 13:11).  In my upcoming book, I am going to detail the times and seasons of the Great Tribulation in deeper chronological detail.  It may clear some "loose ends" up for many.  But suffice it now to say that only the second part of the tribulation is shortened to five months, the first part remains at forty-two months.]

...This is not a blame, but an observation that caused me and others,
sadness in our hearth!

     Thank you for the rest of your studies which are very eye opening !
Dr P. Xxxxxxx DC 
[Peace to you as well, Doctor.]

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God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ's name!
Nick Goggin

 

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When did it first rain upon the Earth?  And where 'on the ground' was the Garden of Eden?

 


A reader writes:

Hi Nick,

Is there a deeper meaning in the portion of scripture underlined in the following verse, specifically the word "rain"?  I see from chapter one of Genesis that 6th day man had been created. Then in the opening of chapter two, God ended his work which he had made.  I also understand that Adam is formed after God blessed the 7th day and sanctified it. So, to make my question more specific: Does the following phrase give a command, symbolically, for Adam, a duty so to speak.

And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a man to till the ground. Gen 2:5

Thank you in advance for your time.


Answer:

Hello to you.  I am sorry to be so behind in my mail, and that this reply is less than timely.  But anyway.  I don't see anything deeper in it regarding Adam's mission to bring men to God (which he failed in, but which the Second Adam, Christ Jesus, succeeded in).  What I see is that before the Garden of Eden, there was no rain, but that plants were watered by the dew of the night.  We know that there was water on the Earth, from the first day; because God parted the waters.  But there was not rain.

    Another way that the first plants got water may have been the pull of the moon, which, as with the rising of the tides of the ocean, the moon also pulls the water table in the Earth up towards the surface.  In the sixth day, the plants and animals are of the "Earth," but the Garden of Eden is called the "field" (two different words.  I believe that the field, while being seeded, did not grow yet, but that, as we know from Gen 1:29, the plants of the "Earth" did grow to feed the first six days of  creation.  The below is a recap of these first six days of creation, which also mentions that the seeds were in the garden of Eden, but had not yet grown:

Genesis 2:4-6
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. KJV

      So, there was a mist that came up for the plants of the Earth, but that mist didn't reach the plants of the field (Eden).  [Note: The phrase in the above, "before it was in the earth" would be problematic if not taken in context.  Further comment on this could be made at a later date, if required]  Next would come Adam in the Garden of Eden (the field).  And his plants would be watered by a river, and grow:

Genesis 2:10
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.  KJV
 

    I believe perhaps that there was no rain anywhere on the Earth until the Flood of Noah, though I can't at this time show Scriptural documentation for that assumption (but we do first see the word "rain" in the Bible at Gen 7:4, referring to the coming Flood of Noah).  And that the waters above the firmament (Gen 1:6-7) were the great source of the billions of trillions of metric tones of deluge waters (Gen 7:11b), along with water coming up out of the Earth (Gen 7:11a). 

Genesis 7:10-12
10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.  KJV
 

    So that when the waters ceased falling from the sky, it then that finally the sun could show through, which is why Noah saw the rainbow.  Before these waters in the sky fell, the sun was not seen (though it was there (Gen 1:15-16), perhaps casting dim light through the waters in the sky.   But perhaps that is why men didn't age as fast back thenno solar radiation.  For after the deluge of Noah, the lifespan of man was abruptly shortened.  This possibly would explain that.  (PS: Don't forget that there was light on the Earth before the sun [Gen 1:3].)

    Also to be gleaned from this, is that Eden was probably on an elevated plateau, which is why it did not receive the waters from the "dew," which naturally settles in lowlands and valleys;  and/or the waters pulled up towards the surface during the moon's gravitational pull, being in a high place not close to the underground water table.  If this is the case, it would lend support to one of the contemporary speculations that the original Eden was on the Pamir Plateau in modern day central Asia.  (Note:  "Pamirs, mountainous region of central Asia, located mainly in Tajikistan and extending into NE Afghanistan and SW Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, China."   http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/P/Pamir.asp

    Regarding this possible location for the Garden of Eden, observe the following excerpt from "Addendum to Noah's Flood", by CTI (Comparet):

[quote] "...the views expressed in Mr. Haberman's interesting and authoritative book called TRACING YOUR ANCESTORS - and the following is taken from pages 11-14 of that book:

"Our next problem is to discover where the Adamic or Aryan race originated. According to Scripture it began in Eden. But where was Eden? Concerning the location of Eden we read in Genesis 2:10-14: 'And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads. The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; and the gold of that land is good: there is bdelhum and the onyx stone. And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. And the name of the third river is Hiddekel; that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.' Because the Euphrates is mentioned here, people have assumed that Eden must have been located on the banks of the historic Euphrates river in Mesopotamia; but as the Euphrates and the Tigris merge into one river, the situation in no wise corresponds to the description given in Genesis, which states that one river went out of Eden and divided into four heads. If we wish to accept the Bible statement as descriptive and authoritative, we are compelled td look elsewhere for a group of four rivers originating from one source.

"Such a location of four rivers starting from one source we find on the Pamir plateau in Central Asia, between the Tian Shan mountains on the north and the Hindu Cush on the south. Cush is the original word for Ethiopia and is a word older than the division of languages. From the lakes of that plateau issue four great rivers: the Indus, the Jaxartes, the Oxus, and the Tarim. The Oxus is still called by the natives the Dgihun or Gihon; the Chitral branch of the Indus answers the description of the Pison; the Jaxartes is the original Euphrates; and the Tarim going toward the east is in all probability the Hiddekel.

"Concerning this identification, Prof. S. H. Buchanan on Pages 125 and 126 of his work, The World and the Book, quotes the great French Orientalist, M. Renan: 'If we search to determine the country which best satisfies the geography of the first chapters of Genesis, it is necessary to avow that all conducts us to the region of the Imaus, where the most solid inductions place the cradle of the Aryan race. There is found, as in the Paradise of Genesis, gold, precious stones, bdellium. This point is that of the world of which one is able to say with the most truth that four rivers issue from the same source. Four immense currents of water: the Indus, the Helmend, the Oxus, and the Gaxartes, take there their rise, flowing in directions the most opposite. The second chapter of Genesi